Oh-Oh!, have Yersinia Pestis?

[steve.lansley@t]

I came across this nasty report after trawling for outbreaks of Pneumonic Plague and if what is occurring in the Ukraine at the moment is anything to go by ( and I hope it isnt!) it appears that possibly some sort of "mutation" in the H1N1 virus may have taken place here , or that something closely akin to the plague is threatening to spread, they are apparently looking to possibly close their borders to counter it. It would be, in my opinion, a much more useful vector in reducing the world population if it spreads!
http://preventdisease.com/news/09/11...hal_H1N1.shtml

there is also a report of Pneumonic Plague in China.
http://www.innworldreport.net/inn/in...ional&Itemid=1

I'm keeping my fingers crossed that the much reported and mild "swine flu" was not just a gentle entre into a much much nastier short lived world of pain!

[S.J. Horsefield]

This is an interesting and disturbing matter. I first became aware of the very real possibility of plagues being deliberately created in laboratories for the purpose of population control, or even full scale genocide, when I heard an interview with Benjamin Fulford, the former Asian Bureau chief of Forbes magazine. His studies into the SARS virus convinced him that it was a deliberate attempt to decimate the populations of the Far East, noting that even in his home country of Canada, the overwhelming majority of those affected appeared to be of East Asian origin, indicating a possible deliberate targeting of the virus through specific DNA types.

Fulford made no bones about whom he believed was responsible and named David Rockefeller as being foremost amongst them.

This development in the Ukraine sounds very worrying.

[was Steve]

Oh for FS......

Check the beeb....nope none of this drivel on there...

Reuters......nope

Firstly Pneumonic plague has NOTHING to do with H1N1...

Second....Why did Sars strike predominantly east asians.....erm....that was where it occurred....but oh no this simple explanation just ain't good enough....no we have to invent a bloody global conspiracy to wipe out the whole population.

Third....Why did SARS not spread......well for several reasons the virus was not particularly effective at spreading (thank goodness with a fatality rate of 50% plus)

Fourth....It is simply not going to be possible to "engineer" a flu virus to target a specific race.....this virus mutates so rapidly that any attempt to engineer it would be overturned by the virus' own mutations.

Jeez I do wish people would get some basic knowledge before inventing bloody conspiracy theories...

Steve....neither the bilderbergers nor the rockerfellers did it....

S

[S.J. Horsefield]

Originally Posted by was Steve

Second....Why did Sars strike predominantly east asians.....erm....that was where it occurred....

As I said, Fulford noted "that even in his home country of Canada, the overwhelming majority of those affected appeared to be of East Asian origin ..."

He was referring not to Japanese tourists or visiting Chinese industrialists, but to people who live permanently in Canada and were probably born there.

[was Steve]

Originally Posted by S.J. Horsefield

As I said, Fulford noted "that even in his home country of Canada, the overwhelming majority of those affected appeared to be of East Asian origin ..."

He was referring not to Japanese tourists or visiting Chinese industrialists, but to people who live permanently in Canada and were probably born there.

And who are much more likely to have links with east asia..

and who tend to be somewhat clannish in their social circles...

Why invent something sinister when perfectly rational explanations will do the trick?????

But as usual.....you begin from the idea of a conspiracy and look for "evidence" that supports that stance.

I do wish you would go and learn some basic scientific discipline and thinking....I really do.

S

[S.J. Horsefield]

Originally Posted by was Steve

And who are much more likely to have links with east asia..

and who tend to be somewhat clannish in their social circles...

Why invent something sinister when perfectly rational explanations will do the trick?????

But as usual.....you begin from the idea of a conspiracy and look for "evidence" that supports that stance.

I do wish you would go and learn some basic scientific discipline and thinking....I really do.

S

And I wish that you would go and learn some basic reading skills ... I really do. That would have enabled you to understand from what I wrote above that I was merely reporting what Fulford had said in his interview.

Your lack of basic comprehension, for some reason, seems to have led you to the conclusion that I was expressing an opinion.

Perhaps if you try reading more slowly, that might help.

[was Steve]

Originally Posted by S.J. Horsefield

This is an interesting and disturbing matter. I first became aware of the very real possibility of plagues being deliberately created in laboratories for the purpose of population control, or even full scale genocide, when I heard an interview with Benjamin Fulford

Well bugga me.....looks like an opinion to me....and an opinion that would suggest to anyone rational that you believe exactly what you suggest as a "very real possibility".

You then go on to support this with your reference.

Don't you try your....I have superior skills ****e on me, chuck...

S

[S.J. Horsefield]

Originally Posted by was Steve

Well bugga me.....looks like an opinion to me....

Yes, and as I said, perhaps you need to read more slowly to avoid such misconceptions.

...and an opinion that would suggest to anyone rational that you believe exactly what you suggest as a "very real possibility".

Yes, I believe it to be "a very real possibility". That isn't expressing an opinion on Fulford's claims, but simply keeping an open mind mind about them. And that is something else you would benefit from doing occasionally.

[was Steve]

Originally Posted by S.J. Horsefield

Yes, and as I said, perhaps you need to read more slowly to avoid such misconceptions.



Yes, I believe it to be "a very real possibility". That isn't expressing an opinion on Fulford's claims, but simply keeping an open mind mind about them. And that is something else you would benefit from doing occasionally.

Oh sod off...you know what you meant, I know what you meant, everyone knows what you meant.

I simply cannot be bothered with you anymore.....you're a fool.


Byeee

S

[S.J. Horsefield]

Originally Posted by was Steve

Oh sod off...you know what you meant, I know what you meant, everyone knows what you meant.

I simply cannot be bothered with you anymore.....you're a fool.


Byeee

S

Oh dear, does that mean that you are going to start another 'The "was Steve" ' type thread of the kind you tried, and failed, to get one up on scitec with, except with me as the target this time?

After that ludicrous and utterly cringe-making thread of yours, you are the very last person to be calling anyone a fool.

[litleoldun]

Here we go again !!

[Axitutl60]

Originally Posted by steve.lansley@t

I came across this nasty report after trawling for outbreaks of Pneumonic Plague and if what is occurring in the Ukraine at the moment is anything to go by ( and I hope it isnt!) it appears that possibly some sort of "mutation" in the H1N1 virus may have taken place here , or that something closely akin to the plague is threatening to spread, they are apparently looking to possibly close their borders to counter it. It would be, in my opinion, a much more useful vector in reducing the world population if it spreads!
http://preventdisease.com/news/09/11...hal_H1N1.shtml

there is also a report of Pneumonic Plague in China.
http://www.innworldreport.net/inn/in...ional&Itemid=1

I'm keeping my fingers crossed that the much reported and mild "swine flu" was not just a gentle entre into a much much nastier short lived world of pain!

Pneumonic plague is a quite distinct disease from influenza, so there is no way it could be caused by a 'mutation' of the H1N1 flu virus. It is in fact a bacterial infection, not a viral infection at all, and is one of the three forms of plague caused by the bacterium Yersinia pestis, the best known form being bubonic plague.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pneumonic_plague

This information tells me that the writers of the 'prevent disease' website do not appear to have the most basic knowledge of biology or medicine.

Previously, Steve, you posted a link to a site which claimed that all these diseases were hoaxes, used an excuse for mass 'innoculations' which were actually schemes for injecting microchips which could then be used to control people electronically.

Now this link is saying that the diseases are very real and are actually being deliberately manufactured by some sinister cabal.

These conspiracy theories are not really very consistent, are they?

[was Steve]

Originally Posted by S.J. Horsefield

Oh dear, does that mean that you are going to start another 'The "was Steve" ' type thread of the kind you tried, and failed, to get one up on scitec with, except with me as the target this time?

After that ludicrous and utterly cringe-making thread of yours, you are the very last person to be calling anyone a fool.

Anyone who thinks Scitec came out of recent exchanges with an ounce of credibility .......is a fool

Anyone who can take a reference to how many pm's were elected or unelected (the stated level being 30%) and then think we are debating whether esoterically and without context 30% can be classed as unusual or not......is a fool

Anyone who can make a statement...

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This is an interesting and disturbing matter. I first became aware of the very real possibility of plagues being deliberately created in laboratories for the purpose of population control, or even full scale genocide, when I heard an interview with Benjamin Fulford
[/ quote]

and then follow this up by claiming they were merely reporting said interview without comment or support....

IS A FOOL.

If the cap fits.....

But what really bugs me here is that I think you have a brain. Scitec I can almost forgive as he clearly has not got a brain of any decent level of functionality. You, however, have - but you misuse it with this arrant nonsense - and with your insistence on switching almost seamlessly from debating substantive issues to debating minutiae such as who placed a comma where in what sentence at what time....

S

[steve.lansley@t]

Ok, so we have some agreement. I did place mutation in inverted commas as a mark of irony as I well knew that a virus cannot of course become bacterium! I also never inferred that these infections were hoaxes but they are definitely being used to frighten the poor uninformed public into taking their quite unnecessary and possibly harmful medicines. taking you back to one of my previous posts, you may notice that I have stockpiled broad spectrum antibiotics in readiness to treat any secondary infection caused either by the viruses, or the bacterium.
This news item may prove to be erroneous and I hope it does, but if it follows the trail of subtrefuge and lies that infuse every other facet of our existence, I would rather be safe than sorry by treating it with some degree of anticipation rather than casting it off in slapshod fashion and burying my head in the sand with the rest of you.
Question; If it proves to be true, how do you think the Yersinia Pestis bacteria (which after all, headlined my post)has entered the fray?. I also do not see any argument as to the outbreak in China being false, so I can conclude that the Pneumonic plague IS out there and that there is every likelihood that it could be coming here soon as it is one of the most contagious and dangerous agents on the planet at this time, and I did say "one" before the pedants jump in and tell me there are far worse.

[S.J. Horsefield]

Originally Posted by was Steve

... and with your insistence on switching almost seamlessly from debating substantive issues to debating minutiae such as who placed a comma where in what sentence at what time....

What you mean by that absurd exaggeration is that, like Eric, you don’t like it when your own inconsistencies, hypocrisy and evasiveness are exposed.

You should both be thanking me for giving you an incentive to take greater care about what you write, to ensure that it is consistent with what you have previously written, and to become more honest and less evasive when challenged to back up the claims you make.

Unlike you two I take full responsibility for everything I post and am always prepared to back up any claims I have made when challenged to do so. If I am unable to do so - which is very rare - I will always put up my hand and admit to having erred. But you very seldom do that, and Eric never does.

It is no surprise that the most vociferous bleating about the way I occasionally use what Eric likes to call a "who said what" approach, comes from you two. That is because you are two of the shiftiest posters here. You both regularly leave yourselves wide open with inconsistencies and blatant attempts to dodge or ignore questions and challenges. And what you both hate is that I don’t just let it go when you do that.

Whether it be Eric repeatedly ignoring reasonable requests (not only from me) to give that link to a police website he was making dubious claims about the content of, or you repeatedly running away from requests to show that you practice what you preach or to explain why you said that war supporters were braver than war opponents, it perfectly explains why you so strongly object to my habit of reminding you of your own words.

So if you don’t like it, be more careful about what you write and then your words need never come back to haunt you as they so often do. Or just clean up your acts, take responsibility for what you write and stop being so evasive.

My apologies to the thread starter for this off-topic post. Anything further I post here will be on-topic.